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John Heers's avatar

Zac,

Your deep dive is majestic and very much appreciate it. This quote above all helped me,

This is my name for a science, taken from St. John of Damascus, that would cautiously pursue its knowledge for the sake of wisdom and love, rather than power, and being willing to abstain from the pursuit of knowledge that would be gotten at too high a cost…”

It is the power quotient buried deep in modern science that I had to stain. And my tongue and cheek historical analysis is meant to enliven the conversation so that we might see that the core of the modern problem is an individualistic love of power over nature, over “all the immaterial nonsense“

Peace to you indeed! Thank you for being here! Christos Voskrese!

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Zac Chave-Cox's avatar

I'll take the Genesis story over evolution as an origin story, a philosophical framework, even as a more full description of reality than what evolution offers, you don't need to convince me there, but those bones of Turkana boy have got to have a place in the story somewhere right? It's not like the scientific evidence for evolution doesn't exist, but the atheistic story told using that evidence is incomplete. Maybe the missing thing is something like (and I'm spit balling here) the denial of dependence on the powers above (gods, spirits, angels, etc) alongside the dependence on the stuff below (cells, bones, electrons, wavefunction collapses etc). The story of evolution tells us something like "we come from the dust" which is not totally a lie, it's just only half of the truth, because we also come from the breath of God.

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