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John Heers's avatar

I’d just say that it’s both: your kids are you. Like… there’s no way around it. If you didn’t exist they wouldn’t exist. They carry you within them. That’s not really debatable. How you treat them is a different conversation. Because as you say they are NOT you ALSO. The paradox must be honored. It is both and…

I think.

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Shelley _MK's avatar

Abortion is the god to whom babies are sacrificed in our modern era. Mothers offer up their offspring to be rewarded with no burdens or commitments.

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Stephanie Schaible, MT (ASCP)'s avatar

I’m hopeful that these heavy thing you speak of are changing John. For the first time in a long time, I see babies everywhere!!!

God Bless

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John Heers's avatar

It does seem to be a thing of late... at least in my circles. I wonder sometimes how we come to know reality, and how reality can be so subjective. In fact, it may be only so... except for God of course. Maybe all things are just relative... To God.

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Stephanie Schaible, MT (ASCP)'s avatar

I get what you are saying, but I do see babies happening outside of my own religious circles as well. There does seem to be movement in this younger generation toward something different like choosing life over abortion, especially in certain states recently, but they are not necessarily moving toward Christianity religious. Data trends indicate our birth rates will continue moving up, not to 1950's levels, and upward birth rate movement is better than downward movement, but what good is an upward movement in birthrate, if they leave this earth never really knowing Jesus Christ?

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Zippy's avatar

It would perhaps be interesting as to know what our culture actually does to babies, toddlers and children.

These related references describe what we actually do them (and had done to us too) "for their own good" which is the title of a book by Alice miller http://www.alice-miller.com/en

Or what the author featured here termed "our monstrous misunderstanding" in his first book Magical Child http://ttfuture.org

This reference provides a very sobering description of the situation

http://violence.de/index.html

This reference provides a similar scenario http://www.wombecology.com

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JonF311's avatar

Re: Your kids are you

Ugh. No. That's a terrible way to think about it. They are their own people and you've been entrusted with their care and upbringing for a score of years. But you absolutely need to respect that they are NOT you, and will grow up to live life by their own lights. No parent should ever try to live vicariously through their children. That's fodder for rebellion in kids.

Also, the graph at the top: How is "No kids" defined? People who never had kids at all? Or simply as No Kids At Home now? If the latter then it's counting older people whose kids are out on their own, and with the aging of the population that category will grow. Likewise "Married no kids" counts and counted in the past recently married young people who haven't had kids yet. There's reason for caution here unless we know the exact definitions sued.

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